he understood what the civil rights struggle was in this country and he understood what tolerance and justice is for all. his hope to make south africa, which now celebrates next year 20 years of democracy, we are celebrating 50 years to a trend towards greater justice in our own country. he also was willing to sort of look at the individual in his own country and say, you matter, and what you do, really does count for something. and so as a professor, the born free, the so-called new generation of kids coming along that didn't know apartheid, they have to be reimbued with this history of mandela as was said in his obituary. >> people do amazing things butn he really stands apart. >> well, i think it's partly ink about the idea of contingency and history, he stitched together, so many divergent parts of south african culture. he grew up as a shoeless cow herd. he made something of himself as a lawyer. but he traded in that earned privilege to become a person who was denounced as a traitor in the united states and south africa. and as charlay isne told us, came out as a singular vision